SPACE.com -- NASA in Transition as Congress OKs New Direction

Don't Destroy NASA: Please read articles at www.rickaddsite.blogspot.com Gremlin click 2010 or Sept., Oct, & Nov. Please visit:Youtube: Rickaddsite

http://www.space.com/news/nasa-transition-congress-new-direction-100930.html

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NewsDaily: Obama expected to sign NASA budget soon: official

NASA GROUNDED? JOIN FORMER ASTRONAUTS IN STOPPING IT! LET'S DO OUR PART: CHAIN LETTER.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre68t66t-us-space-nasa/

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NewsDaily: NASA showdown looms as shuttle workers face layoffs

OBAMA JOB CREATION: NASA LAY-OFFS! IT IS NOT TOO LATE: CHAIN LETTER TODAY AND DAY AFTER ELECTION.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre68q680-us-space-workers/

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SPACE.com -- U.S. Air Force Ponders New Rocket Engine

Gov doesn't usually do fair and logical thing.By all rights, contracts should be awarded to Rocketdyne & Areojet. For one thing: already out of starting gate.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/air-force-new-rocket-engine-101021.html

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US Air Force's 'secret' space shuttle goes missing again - The Economic Times

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A DIFFERENT and MEANINGFUL CHAIN LETTER

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Subject: A DIFFERENT and MEANINGFUL CHAIN LETTER

Your Cyber-Friend: Richard DePersio

PLEASE FORWARD this LETTER to one or two relatives or friends or co-workers now and the day after the election. HELP SAVE OUR NASA! Keep reading: There is more

that you might want to do.

SHOULD NASA BE GROUNDED or ONCE AGAIN the MAIN TECHNOLOGICAL ENGINE of

OUR ECONOMY?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Each Space Shuttle has been certified flight-capable for over 75 more flights; we are only  talking about less then 35 flights over 4 years or less. Instead president and congress want to pay Russia whom we beat in Moon Race an astronomically high price for 'tickets' to carry our astronauts to space station for which we footed most of the cost on their timetable (How Humiliating!) or our banker (China!). and subsidize SpaceX (a private company; we contend that fed gov subsidizing is socialistic, Unconstitutional and detrimental for a company's R & D because Uncle Sam is looking over your back with thousands of forms to fill out because you excepted gov money) which won't be operational     for 3 or more years.  Further, we spent $9 billion on Constellation Project - don't let it go down same presidential black hole as stimulus funds and Fannie and Freddie! Incorporate it into the new program that is  being planned. PLEASE VISIT www.rickaddsite.blogspot.com and consider sending article "New and Improved:  "Are You a Warrior" or another article at site to one or two family members or friends or co-workers and ask them to send to  one or two people. ANOTHER  WORTHWHILE CHAIN LETTER. Or, you might opt for just sending this 'letter.'  Repeat the process the day after the election. Are No. 1 position in technology is in jeopardy. Please act now.

NASA in YOUR HOME, CAR, OFFICE, FARM, FACTORY, HOSPITAL and MORE! UNIQUE
GOV PROGRAM - YOU ACTUALLY GET A RETURN! While it is only budgeted 1/2 of

1% of federal budget, you get $7 back in pure science and applications/spin-offs

(technology).

Are you eager to do more? Write a letter to your local newspaper (if you still read one)

or their internet-version (if they have one). CONTACT CONGRESS and tell them to

extend lifespan of Space Shuttle and save as much of CONSTELLATION Program as

possible, as well as, jobs. Two key players: (www.-?)Shelby.senate.gov/public/ and/or

202-224-5744 (R; Alabama); Nelson.senate.gov/public and/or 202-224-5274 (D; Florida).

Other key players: Conrad; Greg; Sprat; Ryan and your two senators and congressman.

E-mail or e-mail and phone congressional operators for their phone numbers: 202-224-

3121 and 202-226-7200. You don't have to know their names but you do have to know

the state in which you live!

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Fwd: ARE YOU a WARRIOR? UPDATED and EXPANDED AGAIN for...

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YOUR PLEASURE!

CITIZEN REPORTER: A DIFFERENT KIND of a CHAIN LETTER: Please send to one or two

relatives or friends or co-workers and ask them to do the same.

NASA in your home, car, office, farm, factory, hospital and more. NASA is a unique; unlike any other gov department, agency or program. You get a return!

Editor's Note: There was an article entitled: "Obama's Phantom Space Program." It

has been updated (even minor corrections made), modified and expanded to the                     extent that a new title is necessitated - much as an X-plane has to have a letter added to it's number or more replaced with a new number depending on the extent of  changes to systems and/or subsystems, as well as,  changes as to the nature of it's test program. Operational craft could become X-craft again if improvements are to be made or if attempts are made to modify   it    for a new purpose. Otherwise, operational version is likely to remain in service unless problems with the craft have been discovered.

                          ARE YOU A WARRIOR?

  by Richard DePersio (all comsats listed and described at              groups.google.com/group/rickcosmos-eclectic)

       Far more then a white lie. Obama promises a heavy-lifter by 2015 which will

lead to manned missions to asteroids, Mars and the moons of Mars beginning

in 2025.  It is impossible to built a heavy-lifter in five years starting from scratch for he wants to completely cancel CONSTELLATION, especially, when he is laying-off  virtually all Shuttle and Constellation administrators, managers, scientists, engineers and technicians for they  are the ones with the expertise in heavy-lifting and manned spaceflight. Constellation's Ares heavy-lifter   will be operational in 2017 - give or take a year and if we prevent Constellation from being  cancelled.

       1.25 trillion went down a presidential black hole in two failed stimulus packages

and Freddie and Fannie are sink holes. We've invested $9 billion in Constellation.

Will that go down self-same presidential black hole!?! The lib dems rarely disagree with Obama   but it is close to election time and they are worried about lay-offs at NASA  facilities and private companies that contract with NASA around the nation. President Kennedy's primary motivation for the Moon Program wasn't philosophical and/or scientific/technological but political - when he made his famous "I believe that this nation should commit itself to the goal of putting a man on the moon before this decade is out..." -   he wanted to distract public attention away from the Cuban Bay of Pigs fiasco that      occurred a few weeks earlier. Most conservatives, moderates and libs in congress are primarily motivated by saving jobs  in their desire to save as much of Constellation as    Soros, Obama, Palusi and Reid will let them.The full Senate has passed a bill that will save less of it (remember: Obama wanted to do away with virtually all of it) then a House    sub-committee has proposed. The full House has to vote on a plan (they could opt to vote on Senate bill as is - we  don't want that)  and both bodies will have to vote on an appropriations bill to finance it. It might have to go to a Joint House-Senate Reconciliation Committee to iron out the differences in the bills. You can still save NASA - who are you going to call? (and message) - info below in supplement.                                 We could have a heavy-lifter by 2017 or sooner not 2015 by starting from scratch! Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan and Bush - chronologically and literally -  in that order were strongly committed to NASA and Bush to "Constellation" for primary and secondary reasons.Obama wants to shift the SPACE Programs focus from space to Muslim psycho therapy/diplomacy and to green pseudo-science.

       Recently, private sector SpaceX reached an altitude of 135 miles after three failed

attempts with a 'dummy' capsule. It claims that it will be ready to bring cargo to ISS (International Space Station) in early 2012 and astronauts in early 2014. It doesn't even process blueprints for a spacecraft and this is 2010! It recently informed fed gov that it   requires an additional $1 billion (cost over-run)  to reach an the altitude of 185 miles -    location of ISS - and lift 55,000 pounds like Space Shuttle. NASA wasn't cost-effective     prior to 1992 but shuttles were upgraded between 1992-97 and became over 90% cost-effective and each of the three shuttles are certified flight-capable for over 75 more flights. SpaceX also indicated that it might have to limit it to 25,000 pounds - we will have to pay  them to do in two flights what the shuttle can do in one.

       Unlike the president, we're Capitalists and Realists. SpaceX should be granted

more time to do it right - effectively, efficiently and SAFELY!   Extend the lifespan

of the shuttle for approximately four more years - and upgrade while still operational nf feasible

and financially viable.       

ORIGINAL PROPOSAL: NASA/Boeing have blueprints for a mini-Orion unmanned drone (not  the one without blueprints which Obama proposed) but it was cancelled during R & D

phase (NASA was criticized for not completing ISS on schedule, it would have if it had mini-Orion), resurrect it and it should be operational in 2 to 2 and a half years and be

able to lift  25,000 pounds to ISS. PREVIOUS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL: Civilian

version of unmanned X-37B could be operational in less then two years if we make commitment (let's call it "CONSTITUTION" when it becomes operational in order to drive liberals crazy!) and manned version in 3 years or less ( Our estimates regarding Air Force 'secret' program  should be in the in the   ball park and should be able to carry 25,000 to the space station).

        What about SpaceX's Falcon 9? Give it 3 to 4 years to begin cargo flights on a

limited basis and  5 to 6 years for limited number of manned flights to ISS. It should assume   nearly full control and responsibility (with NASA's watchful eye - eye opened             

wider on manned missions) by 2017. Full autonomy regarding non-NASA projects for             scientific research for universities, materials engineering and pharmacology for private             companies, as well as, space tourism.

        The astronautic-ally-challenged think that Constellation represents a step backward

by using Apollo/Saturn and Shuttle technologies and not cutting-edge technology.

Point One: it isn't using but building on those successful technologies which is smart

and cost-effective. Point two: Cutting-edge - how's this for you: 'artificial' gravity; solar

power-generation (that should please 'hockey sticks');  nuclear thermal fusion

engine (recently, the first fission power plant opened up since Three-Mile-Island. How sad.

We have had the technology to build much safer fission plants for over 15 years but

liberals wouldn't allow it - they love American energy dependence. It is estimated that

we can have even safer, less costly and -for cattle farters- non-greenhouse gas-producing

fusion plants between 2030-35. NASA and Constellation can accelerate process toward

energy independence by enabling us to have fusion a lot sooner).                                                  We have the technology - not the money - to go to Mars between 2017-2020. Steve Howe was a nuclear scientist with the NERVA (Nuclear Engine Rocket Vehicle Application; technology could  be applied to nuclear fusion plants). He appeared in a 2004 episode of  ScienceChannel Megascience series and stated while visiting NERVA site in Nevada for the first time in 7 years: "We should have been on Mars in the mid-'70's. I  see dust and tumbleweeds. It was a great age,   a golden age...". Others involved with NERVA (1963-72;we told you about a DiscoveryChannel documantary in which a senior NERVA   engineer visited site for             the first time since '72  and wants to restore and upgrade  facilities; it was to serve as the     engine of the third stage of Saturn S-N heavy-lifter in 1978 for a Mars mission  and in 1980    to begin building Moon Base. (Saturn 5 had three chemical stages;  S-N would have two          chemical and one nuclear).

       Considering cost and time: A manned mission to and from Mars would take three  years plus astronauts due to celestial mechanics and green would have to live and work on surface  for over a year and a half. Present plans call for all chemical stages. A      round-trip using nuclear thermal would take 6 months and astronauts would spend one to three months on surface. You could have over five missions instead of one mission. We     can always return to  a site if science justifies it. The cost of program about the   same...no, for there is another factor.

      The Moon Project costs about $100 billion in today's dollars while a Mars Project  would cost about $400 (although this reporter contends that price tag can safely be   brought closer to $300 - another reason to save as much of CONSTELLATION as possible.(we already invested $9 billion plus money on nuclear thermal, magnetic plasma, 'artificial gravity, unmanned probes, etc. which we might have been  incorporated into 'Constellation" which was hoped. We should foot the largest percentage of the  bill for we are    America and certain R & D will be for us alone - we get largest return and we are in      charge: $100 over 13 years. It could unable us to have nuclear thermal power plants    between 2020-25, as well as, other spin-offs and applications. We should do it with our    best friends: England, Israel, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Czech Republic, Poland and semi-allies: Kuwait, Quitter (because they have a lot a green from black gold) and India, Brazil because they are rapidly developing nations - throw in Japan and our price tag  might be $90. Three nations will have to learn to play nice together if they want to be on the Winning Team. Peaceful Non-Cold War-like Space Race with EU and Russia: EU might unite with Russia to form one team with Russia in charge. Could they afford to keep pace with the Winning Team!?!

     I'm cognizant of the fact that many are concerned with costs besides competition,

methods, systems. Let's address those issues. To think: 80% of the weight of a rocket  is fuel!   We could use Ares 1 or modified Ares 1 with two chemical stages  or  two solid booster rockets and a large external fuel tank (similar to space shuttle arrangement to get Orion to earth orbit and Ares 5 or modified Ares 5 or Citizen Reporter Original proposal Ares/Saturn S-N Combo (update: CR recently discovered that a version of Ares 5 with such a nuclear thermal stage has blueprints;

he is still amazing: having proposed it without knowledge that plan existed) where   third stage wouldn't be discarded like in Apollo but would serve as Mars-Transfer-Vehicle (aka nuclear thermal rocket engine and fuel container - stage 3).    Altair Mars Lander brought up on separate flight. All components will be assembled at       ISS (space station). Normally, you would fire engine - increase speed - to raise you to a higher orbit and having arrived at higher orbit and expended energy, you will be orbiting     earth at a slower speed because you are now further from earth's gravity. Mars Mission:     you are orbiting earth at 17,500 mph at altitude of ISS. You fire nuclear thermal             engine for over              three hours and you spiral outward gaining speed and after              30 days, you sling shot out of spiral coupled with firing engine for over three hours again            and adding earth's speed (orbital velocity around the sun) to spacecraft's speed.     Efficiency 1: Hydrogen fuel is lighter then - two chemicals needed to combust to         produce thrust (chemical rocket) and less weight         means less cost. Efficiency 2:        You can attain higher temperatures with H which means     higher speed: exhaust or thrust. Efficiency 3: Just about any gas will do. We want to use H to Mars because it's       the cheapest. We can use carbon dioxide from Martian atmosphere -are Martians going        to charge us!?! - for return trip. Further, Mars Transfer Vehicle instead  of it being one        long  and wide engine plus tank for H, we can place Orion inside of MTV (in earth orbit)       enabling H to shield astronauts from cosmic radiation and solar 'wind.'

       Neil Armstrong and many other prominent people oppose Obama space plan

and suspect that he is giving up America's number one position in space - pure science

and all the benefits - - NASA in your home, car, office, farm, factory, hospital. SAVE
CONSTELLATION. ( find more info  at: rickaddsite.blogspot.com, group.google.com/group/rickcosmos-eclectic, rickscisite.blogspot.com, /group/science-space-technology, YouTube: Rickaddsite - "NICK..." and "A CRYSTAL PERFECT        VISION" and "WORLD-VIEW."                                                                                 Prepare for battle!  Became a SPACE WARRIOR! The Romans believed that the red         color of Mars was actually for some and symbolically for others the blood of Roman     soldiers and called it    Mars - the god of war.Engage in the War to Save NASA and let's           make it a war - a Peaceful Competition - with the U.S. in charge of the Winning Team.It         isn't presently planned that way. Don't let NASA FADE to BLACK!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                 SUPPLEMENT:   CONVINCE YOUR NEIGHBORS of the IMPORTANCE of the WAR.WRITE COMMENTS       and BLOGS on the INTERNET. WRITER LETTERS to the EDITOR of YOUR                   NEWSPAPER (if you still read a newspaper) print version and internet-version - if they  have one.                                                                                                  Contact Congress:                   EVERY WEEK (three to five members) or, preferably, EVERYDAY, (one to three) until November 15 or December 15 or January 15 might be necessary. Weekends and when they are out-of                -session too. Staff members available.                                                                                                                       TELL NINE KEY MEMBERS of CONGRESS to EXTEND LIFESPAN of SPACE SHUTTLE      for 4 YEARS and SAVE MOST of CONSTELLATION (YOU MAY or MAY NOT WANT to RECOMMEND SCALED-DOWN MOON PROGRAM and ARES 5/SATURN S-N COMBO).     TWO MAJOR NASA PROPONENTS: (www. -?) shelby.gov/public/ (R; Alabama) PHONE:       202-224-5744 and nelson.gov/public/ (D; FLORIDA) PHONE: 202-224-5274.                                                                                                                                                                 CHAIRMAN and RANKING MEMBERS of SENATE and HOUSE APPROPRIATION COMMITTEES: Conrad, Greg, Sprat, Ryan; your two Senators and one Congressman. LEAVE MESSAGE at THEIR WEBSITE and/or SPEAK to STAFF    MEMBER.                                                                                                           SENATE PHONE: 202-224-3121 and HOUSE PHONE: 202-226-7200 (Senator Operator will  usually give you House info too; you need not know the names of your members of            Congress...BUT, you have to know the NAME of the STATE in which you LIVE!

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Air Force Considers New Space Plane

Citizen Reporter: original proposal 5 months ago: NASA should extend lifetime of Shuttle or use a declassified-version of X-37B & planned manned-version instead of Russia.

http://www.aolnews.com/tech/article/air-force-considers-new-space-plane/19641104

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Fwd: YOU are CORDIALLY INVITED to a FUNERAL...

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           ...THROWN by OBAMA to CELEBRATE HIS MURDER of NASA

                                           by Richard DePersio                                                                      (All comsats listed and described at groups.google.com/group/rickcosmos-eclectic)

(WHAT CAN YOU... 

and  follow it up with a party at the Capital Building for the purpose of laughing at

congressional logic. BYOB! You will need it when you realize that it is dangerous not funny

regarding AMERICA's SCIENTIFIC-TECHNOLOGICAL-ECONOMIC FUTURES not to

mention our NATIONAL PRESTIGE!.Let's do a quick review. The Bush Plan: Ending the Space Shuttle Program in 2011 and    ......DO TO STOP...

the ISS (International Space Station) in 2015. Replacing the Space Shuttle with the Orion

Spacecraft atop the Ares 1 Rocket in 2013 (due to under-funding goal was pushed back to

2015). The Orion Spacecraft would take astronauts to the Space Station, to the Moon in

2020 and Mars in 2035. The Ares 1 would be used by Orion to get to the Space Station and

to the Moon. The Ares 5 Heavy-Lifter would be able to lift as much weight to earth orbit as the

Space Shuttle and be unmanned. It would lift the propulsion system needed to go to Mars

and beyond and be operational by 2016.      ...THE...

The Obama Plan canceled the Shuttle in 2010 too but extended lifetime of Space Station to

2020. Orion, Ares 1, Moon Base, Ares 5 all scrubbed. SpaceX's Falcon 9 would bring

cargo to Space Station beginning in early 2012 and astronauts in early 2014. The private

sector would be responsible for earth to earth orbit and back. A Heavy-lifter would be NASA's

job and be ready by 2016 but it wouldn't be Ares 5. Mind you, he wants to terminate

Constellation Program (Orion, Ares 1, Altair - moon lander - Ares 5) on which we already

spent $9 billion - it would go down a presidential black hole! He favors the commercialization

of space - a capitalistic idea? We subsidize the Oil and Agricultural Industries, Fannie

and Freddie and, now, the auto industry, commercial and investment banks - all

uncapitalistic and wrong! Obama had to give SpaceX an additional $1 billion and it

sill won't meet it's 2012 and 2014 goals!      .....MADNESS..

.

We don't object to SpaceX using NASA facilities for R & D and picking the brains of NASA

experts. The House Plan calls for spending less on SpaceX then Senate - both

less then Obama wants - - both too much in our opinion. Private industry is at it's best

when their is a minimum of government interference not when their heavily regulated and

worse funded and controlled by BIG GOV. The House Plan calls for developing space

hardware largely based on Orion, Ares ! and Ares 5 while the Senate to a lesser degree.

Both do away with Moon landings leading to a base and extend lifetime of Space

Station to 2020. PUTTING THE CART AHEAD of the HORSE... The Senate gives equal priority to Heavy-lifter and NASA vehicle for earth to earth orbit to earth by 2016 (and, perhaps, eventually,system will be part of beyond earth orbit mission system for 2025).Both are under-budgeted. House is under-budgeted but gives priority to returning NASA to earth orbit and spreading money over more years - Heavy-Lifter by 2019 - - for what purpose if Space Station ends in 2020 and we don't plan to leave earth orbit until 2025!

..SEE...

THE ELEPHANT in the ROOM...Let's assume SpaceX can succeed in spite of gov 

interference. It can't do cargo by '12 and crew by '14. We are going to have to pay

Russia an astronomically large price tag to take astronauts to our Space Station - we

paid bulk of the cost! The HUMILIATION!!! We BEAT THEM in MOON RACE, we will

have to beg them for a ride on their timetable! The Three Space Shuttles have been

certified Flight-Capable for over 75 more missions a piece. Spend less on SpaceX -

subsidizing is socialistic and don't pay Russia to carry us like a baby. NASA

shouldn't be grounded.WE are the GREATEST!!! With the money saved, we can afford

7 to 10 Shuttle Missions over next three years and, perhaps, 12 to 15 over next six

years. $3 billion additional can get us Ares 1 by between 2014 and 2016 ending Shuttles Remember: NASA is unique gov program; NASA gives a $7 return in the form of pure science and spin-offs/applications (technology)on each dollar it's budgeted and creates jobs unlike

Obama(NASA and private companies that contract with NASA have begun issuing

pink slips.because Obama is spending tax-payer money irresponsibly and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY!!! TWENTY-SIX BILLION to states to save jobs of teachers and police because governors and mayors are afraid of unions and won't act to cut wasteful spending. Spend like Obama until the dollar is worthless!

He's A.D.D..-ing.You know the rest of Citizen's Reporter's Plan regarding Moon, NERVA,

X-37B.            ...BELOW...

Ladies and gentlemen, What makes more sense: extending Shuttle for 4 to 6 years or 

giving money to Russia and subsidizing another private company. What makes more 

sense: Saving as much of Ares 1 and 5 as possible or staring from scratch like

Obama wants to do?Recently, NASA announced that for $2.5 billion it can have an    Upgraded New-Version Shuttle that can lift only half as much as present Shuttle but be capable of lifting as much by 2020I It would have the large external fuel tank and two solid booster rockets but instead of portion of Shuttle that looks like a space plane, it would     have something similar to Orion/Ares 1which some day can be part of beyond earth orbit missions.NASA builds on existing technology which is a cost-effective.

and safe thing to do while it develops new technologies.

Shuttle by 2016 which can lift only half as much as present Shuttle.

EXTEND LIFESPAN OF SHUTTLE FOR FOUR TO SIX YEARS AND SAVE, MODIFY

and BUILD ON WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THUS FAR IN 

CONSTELLATION PROGRAM.... TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE....TIME IS RUNNING 

OUT. YOU MUST PHONE AND/OR LEAVE A MESSAGE AT WEBSITE OF 9 KEY

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS - EVERYDAY THIS WEEK, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY.TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY - - - ONE TO THREE PER DAY.

SENATE PHONE: 202-224-3121; HOUSE PHONE: 202-226-7200 GET THE PHONE
NUMBERS OF YOUR TWO U.S. SENATORS AND ONE US. CONGRESSMAN. 

 USUALLY, SENATE OPERATOR WILL SUPPLY ALL INFO. YOU NEED NOT KNOW THEIR NAMES BUT YOU MUST KNOW STATE IN WHICH YOU LIVE!

TWO KEY PLAYERS: SHELBY (R; ALABAMA) and NELSON (D; FLORIDA). 

(www-?)Nelson.senate.gov/public/    PHONE: 202-224-5744; SHELBY: 202-224-5274.

Conrad, Greg, Sprant, Ryan

NASA RESTORED AS MAIN SCIENTIFIC/TECHNOLOGICAL ENGINE OF ECONOMY.

NEITHER PLAN IS GOOD BUT HOUSE BETTER THEN SENATE PLAN. NEITHER PLAN
PREVENTS AMERICAN HUMILIATION!!! WE WILL NO LONGER BE NUMBER ONE
IN SPACE AND THAT WILL DO GREAT DAMAGE TO OUR PRESTIGE AND OUR ECONOMY!!!!

Fwd: NEW SPACE PROPOSAL

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by Richard DePersio (groups.google.com/group/rickcosmos-eclectic to our Cyber-Friend

/group/sci.space.policy

 There are members of NASA and of Congress who are proposing

replacing Ares 1 with a new version of the Space Shuttle. Like the present Space Shuttle

the new version would have virtually the same two solid booster rockets (as would Ares 1)

and the large external fuel tank. Instead of the space plane portion, it would have a

cylinder with an Orion spacecraft on top. This smaller version would likely carry 3

astronauts instead of 4 as would the Altair Moon Lander if New Moon Program isn't

canceled. The proposal also calls for the Ares 5 Heavy-Lifter or a version of it in order to

visit Mars or an asteroid. The 3-man Orion could dock with Space Station or with Altair

landing on moon. Both crafts would be about one-third smaller then originally planned

but one-third larger then Apollo and LM. The Mars Orion would still have to be capable of

carrying 6 astronauts.   

We at CR believe that this would be acceptable to us Ares 1 fans. There is a major

drawback though - there always is: It won't be operational for 3 to 4 years. Again, we

insist that present Shuttle (each of which have been certified capable for over 75 flights 

apiece) be extended for 2 to 4 years. Alternative: Humiliation; NASA grounded for 3 years

or more. We would be dependent on Russia (who we beat in the Moon Race) and/or

China (our Banker) to talk us to our Space Station - we paid bulk of the cost - on their

schedule - - to add insult to injury, Russia has already made it clear that they are going to

charge us an astronomical price tag! Obama doesn't care about U.S. embarrassment

and is hell-bent on laying off Shuttle, Orion, Ares and Altair workers.

We stated previously that we were willing to forgo Moon Base due to price tag and offered

original proposals. Three moon missions each lasting 5 to 7 weeks visiting lunar arctic

and antarctic; 4 to 7 follow-up missions if justified by the 3 missions. One of the reasons,

President Bush wanted Americans to return to the moon was to test components,

equipment, experiments and procedures (as well as, tests on the ground, in earth orbit,

en route to moon) for a Mars mission in 2035. We can still due that and without a base.

We can do it during 3 or more moon missions. Hopefully, lunar mining will be encouraged

by what's learned during those missions. We shouldn't muck-up a pristine area for mining

(this is for the sake of environmental wackos, of course, they'll demand no mining). Joint

Project: NASA and Private Sector beginning in 2025 (if missions between 2020-2023 justify

it), geologists, metallurgists, surveyors and support teams explore an area scientifically and

for the purpose of determining if it is a potentially economically viable area for mining. The

private sector takes it from there. They will construct mining camps.

Additional Proposal: We might do the above plus built a small NASA Base if practical to use

moon water for service module: water for drinking (as well as, recycled urine) splitting water

for oxygen for breathing and hydrogen for nuclear thermal (see our proposals in four articles at

www.rickaddsite.blogspot.com) rocket engine. Launching Orion with it's service module from

moon orbit would be a lot cheaper then launching from earth's stronger gravitational field. We                    propose that The Heavy-Lifter might not be needed or we can make due with a smaller, less                    powerful one to bring transfer module to lunar orbit with just enough hydrogen to get there. We can

launch it to lunar orbit  where the Orion Command and Service Module is already in lunar orbit.

 Altair and unmanned crafts can bring water to service module and transfer module from lunar

surface - cheaper then lifting it from earth's surface.

The transfer module can use Ares 5 or 2 liquid  (safer then solid; H aboard transfer module)                       booster rockets and large external fuel tank.

We also proposed a mini-Orion or and operational-version of AF X-37B - both of which would be

easier to move and maneuver from the ground then as regular satellite - using heavy-lifter to park

it near our GPSs to temporarily move them if they became a target during a war or replace them

when necessary as a backup.

Or, Obama Plan to place "NASA in a Casket," give SpaceX unrealistic timetable and make Russia

a super-power again! (Russia orders Obama to shrink Bush Missile Shield, Obama obeys, Russia

announces that it has unstoppable missile; Russia declares that it has fighter jet as good as our

best fighter - the F-22, Obama orders production to stop on F-22s).

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EDITOR'S NOTE: OUR SLOGAN IS: "FAIR and BALANCED."                                                

A POST FROM THE HONORABLE OPPOSITON FOLLOWS WHICH IN TURN IS                             FOLLOWED BY THREE MORE SPECIFIC POSTS FROM OUR SIDE.

Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2010 3:24 am
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1) SENATE Sub-Committee on Justice-Commerce-Science (that's logical!)

2) HOUSE   Committee on Science-Technology                                                                                                                                                          3) CITIZEN REPORTER groups.google.com/group/rickcosmos-eclectic                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                 1)A: 3 more Space Shuttle Flights                                                                                                                                       B: Orion Continues                                                                                                                                         C:  Ares 1 cancelled                                                                                                                                       D:   Development begins on a new Heavy-Lifter somewhat based on Ares 5                                                    begins next, completed 2016                                                                                                                                                E: Taxpayer money spent on private/commercial sector development of                                                          earth-to-orbit-to-earth capability - $6 billion over 8 years                                                                                     F:  Moon Base Cancelled                                                                                                                                 G:  Money spent on NASA developing new technologies reduced                                                                                             2)A: 2 more Space Shuttle flights                                                                                                                     B:  Orion continues                                                                                                                                        C: Ares 1 may or may not be cancelled                                                                                                            D: Development of Heavy-Lifter largely-based on Ares 5 begins next year,                                                      completed by 2016                                                                                                                                         E: Taxpayer money for private sector - $4.5 over 8 years                                                                                       F: Moon Base cancelled                                                                                                                                 G: Money spent on developing new technologies less then Senate                                                                                Sub-Committee                                                                                                                                                                                       3) A: Space Shuttle program extended for 2 to 4 years                                                                                  B: Orion continues                                                                                                                                     C:  Ares 1 continues                                                                                                                                  D:  Ares 5/Saturn S-N Combo More money spent developing new                                                    technologies, including, nuclear thermal propulsion and nuclear-generator                                                       E:  Aid to private sector - less then $2 over 3 years for NASA consultation                                                    and use of NASA facilities                                                                                                                           F:  Moon Base cancelled; 4 missions to Moon in 2020 and 2021 Lunar 'arctic' and                                   'antarctic'  regions and 3 to 5 additional missions if justified by the 4 missions                                             Plans subject to change as they go through congressional process. We must continue our plan to                save NASA  with monthly phone call and/or message left at website of the 9 key members of               Congress; info available at www.rickaddsite.blogspot.com, rickscisite.blogspot.com,                              YouTube: Rickaddsite. Each of the 3 shuttles are certified for over 75 more missions. It's a                      disgrace for U.S. to be dependent on Russia (whom we beat in Moon Race and have made it               abundantly clear that they are going to charge us an arm and a leg; what if they don't comply with our          scheduling  and scientific 'window' requirements) and/or China (our banker!) to take us to and from our        Space Station - international my foot, we paid bulk of the cost! - for 4 to 6 years while we're                   grounded; important science to be done at Lunar poles; Ares 1 can get Orion or modified X-37B                     can get us to Space Station in 2 to 4 years; spend more to built on existing technology and create                new technologies for economy's sake. Obama wants the two top priorities of the National

Aeronautics and Space Administration to be: 1) Making Muslims feel good about themselves:

their historic contributions in science, math., engineering (International Psychotherapy and

2) Green 'Hockey Stick' pseudo-science. Obama learned science from scientific illiterate Al Gore!